http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15886834
http://www.japanfocus.org/-Kinue_TOKUDOME/3024
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Be careful my left leaning friends! If the US is attacked again your liberal reign will be short-lived. Probably 30 years before you will lead the country again.
Wenzel - you are right about the risk. It doesn't have to make sense or be logical, it would be visceral.
With respect to Mark's post, I can only say, "BRING ON SCOOTER LIBBY!"
How about our Attorney General's old buddy Marc Rich? How a political hack like Holder got chosen to be AG will always be another shameful moment in this countries history. Maybe Barry can go to France and apologize about this as well.
Mark - you need to change your coffee! Old, old news...
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"In the war crimes tribunals that followed Japan's defeat in World War II, the issue of waterboarding was sometimes raised. In 1947, the U.S. charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for waterboarding a U.S. civilian. Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor."
Waterboarding has been used by the US military for over a hundred years, sactioned by,
T Roosevelt, and LBJ
President Theodore Roosevelt defended the practice. "The enlisted men began to use the old Filipino method: the water cure," he wrote in a 1902 letter. "Nobody was seriously damaged."
The left again is exercising the policy that if you lie enough about something it becomes the truth.
Over 700 Japanese were sentenced to die for war crimes, but just 7 actually were executed.
General Kenji Doihara, spy (later Air Force commander)
Baron Kōki Hirota, foreign minister
General Seishirō Itagaki, war minister
General Heitarō Kimura, commander, Burma Expeditionary Force
General Iwane Matsui, commander, Shanghai Expeditionary Force and Central China Area Army
General Akira Muto, commander, Philippines Expeditionary Force
General Hideki Tōjō, commander, Kwantung Army (later prime minister)
According to Japanese tabulation, 5,700 Japanese individuals were indicted for Class B and Class C war crimes. Of this number, 984 were initially condemned to death; 475 received life sentences; 2,944 were given more limited prison terms; 1,018 were acquitted and 279 were never brought to trial or not sentenced.
Of the 984 sentenced to die, all were either given prison sentences, or repatriated back to their
homeland.
The war crimes sighted were a lot more than waterboarding in almost every instance. The Bataan Death March is certainly one of them. The methods of turture used by the Japanese also included physical punishment like severe beating. We are all aware of the torture that Senator McCain endured courtesy of his hosts at the Hanoi Hilton.
No one is arguing that it is a good thing to use agressive questioning techniques. If we could just ask for name rank and serial number and then the captured terrorist would begin to sing like a canary would be a great thing. However the argument is there post 9/11, that our country had been attacked again. The World Trade Center buildings had come down. Many people believed strongly that more attacks would happen again. Our intelligence capabilities had been severly compromised by the wall put up by the Clinton Administration between agencies. It has been widely reported that the waterboarding of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed prevented major terrorist attacks on the Brooklyn Bridge and in Los Angeles.
Tell me Terry and Rich would you have rather us not waterboard KSM and have had the terrorist attacks on Los Angeles and the Brookly Bridge occur? The lunatic left is so naive. You think if you apologize about past American behavior that in your view was wrong that this will make those that want to blot us from the face of the earth all of a sudden want to sit around a camp fire with us toasting marshmellows and singing Kumbia.
It is the height of stupidity for a President of the United States to take war time options completely off of the table. Telling your enemies ahead of time what they can expect when they are captured is ludicrous. What strategic reason is there for what the lunatics from the left are doing now? Do you actually think that this will make the terrorists like us more? You guys are more intelligent than that. If Barry capitulates to the wishes of the lunatics from MoveOn.org, and the other organizations that George Soros has on his speed dial it will polarize this nation even more. Who are we speaking to with these actions? Why are you so hung up on what everyone else thinks. So it is the height of evil to waterboard a total of three terrorist masterminds after they have admitted responsibilty for the 9/11 attack and warned us of many more to occur? So as yto remind you KSM, directed the September 11 attacks, which killed 2,978 people and injured at least 7,356. “I am the head of the al-Qaeda military committee,” he told Al Jazeera in April 2002. “And yes, we did it.”
"Soon, you will know."
That is the ominous statement an uncooperative KSM told his CIA interrogators when they initially asked him, after he had been captured, about additional planned al-Qaida attacks on the United States.
Rich and Terry, please tell me, putting yourself in the same position under the same set of facts and circumstances that those tasked with protecting the safety of this country faced at this time what you would have done had the decision been yours? Next assume that we would have not used "aggressive questioning techniques" and KSM would not have revealed the plots against the Brooklyn Bridge and Los Angeles. Assume that they did occur and thousands more died because of it. KSM then brags that he knew about these attacks beforehand while he was in captivity. It then becomes public that we did not do all that we could to extract this information from him, how do you think the public would have reacted then? Please be realistic and put your thought process into the one that the nation had when Congress voted to go to War with Iraq.
The self rightousness of men like Patrick Leahy and Barney Frank makes me sick to my stomach. They would have been the first ones in line to attack the Bush Administration for not waterboarding KSM. I guess this is the thanks that these men get for helping to keep this country from getting attacked again since 9/11.
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