Wednesday, October 15, 2008

Words do have meaning

Remember when Barry uttered that line. Funny coming from someone whose use of the language is on par with "it depends on what the meaning of is, is".

Now we have Barry making the claim that 95% of working families will have their taxes cut. Websters says cut means reduce the size, extent as in cut the labor force. We have been talking about this in the past but I want to know how Barry can cut taxes from people who already do not pay them.

Under current tax laws, IRS statistics for 2006 show that 45.6 million tax filers, essentially one-third of all filers, have no tax liability after taking their credits and deductions. “For good or ill,” notes the Tax Foundation, “this is a dramatic 57 percent increase since 2000 in the number of Americans who pay no personal income taxes.” But I thought that President Bush's tax cuts only went to the rich. Isn't that what the media has been chanting like the mantra of a buddhist monk during prolonged meditation? They did say 57%. This must be a mistake, the main stream media would never slant the truth would they?

"For the Obama Democrats, a tax cut is no longer letting you keep more of what you earn. In their lexicon, a tax cut includes tens of billions of dollars in government handouts that are disguised by the phrase "tax credit." From the excellent WSJ column that even has a wonderful chart which shows the phase out levels of tax credits. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122385651698727257.html

The chart is very interesting because it shows the unbelievable spikes in marginal tax rates at the phase out levels of Barry's proposed "tax cuts". People are going to have to keep a close watch on their taxable income or they might find themselves taking home substantially less after taxes by just earning a little more.

Here's the political catch. Almost all of Barry's proposed tax credits are "refundable," which means that you can receive these checks even if you have no income-tax liability. In other words, they are an income transfer from taxpayers to nontaxpayers. Once upon a time we called this "welfare,". Barry calls this a tax cut.

The Tax Foundation estimates that under the Obama plan 63 million Americans, or 44% of all tax filers, would have no income tax liability and most of those would get a check from the IRS each year. The Heritage Foundation's Center for Data Analysis estimates that by 2011, under the Obama plan, an additional 10 million filers would pay zero taxes while cashing checks from the IRS.

The total annual expenditures on refundable "tax credits" would rise over the next 10 years by $647 billion to $1.054 trillion, according to the Tax Policy Center. This means that the tax-credit welfare state would soon cost four times actual cash welfare. By redefining such income payments as "tax credits," the Obama campaign also redefines them away as a tax share of GDP. Presto, the federal tax burden looks much smaller than it really is.

It is disingenuous to claim that he will give 95 percent of all American workers a "tax cut," because he does not mention that it will mean sending checks to millions of tax filers who pay no personal income taxes.

It certainly looks "suspiciously like welfare" or income redistribution from wealthier taxpayers to lower-income Americans to me. But it also raises the question, How can he call it a "tax cut" when its recipients pay no income taxes?

Under his "Making Work Pay" income tax cut for low- to middle-income people, he will give a "refundable" $500 tax credit to low- to middle-income workers or $1,000 to couples. It would begin to phase out at $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 for a couple.

But because he makes it "refundable," he will pay the equivalent amount to those who have no income-tax liability after taking the usual tax credits and deductions in the tax code. Those checks would come from taxes to be paid by higher-income Americans.

"What he's really talking about doing is mailing a check and, to me, that looks more like a welfare program than the kind of real tax relief that would encourage work, savings and investments," said Phil Kerpen, policy director at Americans for Prosperity, a free-market advocacy group.

Obama claims that almost all workers (95 percent) will benefit from his "tax cuts." But Investor's Business Daily points out that Obama's "'working families' does not include all households. Throw in singles, retirees, students and the unemployed, and the share getting some tax-related benefit is a good deal less."

The Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan tax-analysis group established by the liberal Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, dismisses his 95 percent figure, saying that about 80 percent of households would receive a tax cut. Throw in the tens of millions of tax filers who owe no taxes, and the percentage of taxpayers getting real tax cuts falls a lot lower.

The Obama campaign's chief economist Jason Furman told me in an e-mail that "the tens of millions of families working hard and paying payroll taxes do not think that tax cuts are a form of 'welfare' or 'redistribution' -- they think it is only fair to reward work."

Roberton Williams of the Tax Policy Center said "one can argue" that workers who don't pay income taxes "are paying Social Security payroll taxes, and this is a tax cut against that."

But is this just another clever way for Barry to redistribute the nation's income, taking from high-income taxpayers who pay the lion's share of all income taxes and giving it to lower-income workers who pay none?

Williams doesn't dispute this. "You could view it that way because both (tax) proposals are in the same tax plan," he said. "There's no question that's one way to perceive the tax plan." Exactly.

So this is what's at the core of Obama's economic policies -- taking more money from one group of taxpayers and directly transferring it to those in the lower- to middle-income tax brackets who pay little or no income taxes to begin with.

Instead of cutting everyone's taxes to encourage work, investment and savings by enlarging the economic pie, Obama would redivide the pie into smaller slices and redistribute it through the tax system.

Please someone show me a real world example where this type of policy has actually worked in bringing an economy out of a recession. I have heard a lot of people make the claim that there is no way that Obama can be worse than Bush. Wanna bet? With socialist policies like these that have never worked we will be on the fast track to third world status. Of course than we will have the rest of the world finally loving us like so many liberals crave. We will be sort of like the crazy old uncle in the corner who everyone remembers from his more vigorous days. As the rest of the western economies continue to cut income taxes and become more business friendly like Ireland, Poland, Germany, Canada, Czech Republic, etc. we will raise taxes on the portion of the economy that we should be relying on to get us back on our feet. Too much social reengineering got us into this mess and now the American public is falling for this "class warfare" garbage economic proposal that is eerily similar to giving mortgages to those who can't afford them. How does Barry propose that the recipients of this new form of welfare are going to use this payment to help create economic prosperity. Does he think buying a bunch of large screen HDTVs will magically fix things? Too bad that a lot of these people will be the first ones laid off when their employer has to cut back due to the recession that continues to deepen. But then lets look at the bright side they will still be getting their "tax cut" every year. Try feeding a family of four on it!

5 comments:

Baxter said...

The class warfare was started by those on the right. The high percentage of wealthy taxpayers is simply a reflection of how our wealth has been concentrated at the top.

The top 1% have as much wealth as the bottom 90%. Who has declared class war on whom?

My party balanced the budget and paid down debt. Your party piles on the debt. Facts is facts. End of story.

Talk is cheap. Look at the results of your policies.

Why would ANYONE want 8 more years of GOP control of ANYTHING?

terry said...

baxter--- you nailed it perfectly, how can 1% of the country have more wealth more than 90%? What economic policy created that? I guess the 90% of the country is just lazy is that the answer? After I own 9 homes and 4 airplanes and my kids and grandkids will never have to work the rest of you the 90% can have an apple. The trickle down has become a drop of water. go obama i think goverment can do better taking care of the middle class than the 1% has. Let's take health care do you think it would even be discussed if not for democrats?

Jim G. said...

The trickle down has become a drop of water. go Obama I think government can do better taking care of the middle class than the 1% has.

Really? How? And...who's job is it to take care of the middle class again? See, I thought is was the...middle class. T...you are not an economic conservative. To whomever lawfully makes money..it belongs to them. Wow, the silly ness of your statement is astounding.

Where are the Libertarians when you need them?

terry said...

Jim you missed my point yes it is the middle class's responsibility to take care of themselves. I never said different. What our difference is you believe whoever makes the money,( big generational wealth, I am talking about) will somehow create jobs, and pass the money down to middle class. Well where is the proof, when 1% (the rich) has more than 90%( middle class and poor) of the rest. Where is the proof cause you say so? The figures show other wise they show wealth in this country between middle class and the rich getting farther apart.Every thing I have read about history shows that we used to have a middle class that was closer to " the rich" See in a nutshell You believe goverment to be bad. I believe goverment can be much more. by the way you did not answer my question. You think we would have health care as a right in this country without democrats fighting for it. or is not a right? you are correct I am not an economic conservative, but please understand. I am not also wanting to take from the rich and give to the poor, I am for a consumption tax. The tax code is so full of loopholes for the wealthy corporations, they have floors of accountants cheating the system, the poor file their form with no help, as I said Warren Buffett's secretary paid more in taxes that Warren ARE YOU STILL WITH ME!!!!

Mark R. said...

Funny thing is that a lot of the 1% are supporting Barry. Why do you think that is? Did you ever really think about it? C'mon Rich and Terry you both sound like you are highly educated what do you really think is going on here? Do you actually, truly believe after you put some serious thought into it that the 1% are not going to be able to protect their income stream from taxes? Barry is an elitist just like Kerry, Kennedy, Pelosi, etc. The Elitists believe that they are so superior to the average Americans that they need to use the government to save the average Americans from themselves. Please point out to me when the government has been able to do this? When the revenue stream from taxing the 1% doesn't bring in what was planned for who do you think will be left to pay the remainder. If you guessed the Middle Class you win! That is what history tells us. That is why the middle class falls farther behind. This economic plan is going to be disasterous. People in the middle will be losing their jobs if this goes through. At the beginning of the Great Depression President Hoover raised taxes and cut government spending, but in the face of the collapsing economy this served to reduce consumer demand weakening businesses further which in turn were forced to shed more workers. I ask you do you think the average American who Barry claims will be getting his so called "tax cut" would rather have the check every year or their job? Throughout this country's history there has always been a large gap betwwen the 1% and the middle. Be careful when you read history books written by leftists, which is a whole topic that we can debate for hours. Don't you remember the Robber Barons, Andrew Carnegie, J.P. Morgan and on and on. This policy is not going to hurt the 1% and you probably know it. It is doomed to failure because it has never worked in history especially going into a recession.

Class warfare was started by those on the right? Please Rich you have to stop taking those hallucinogenic pharmaceuticals. Every election the left makes statements about how Republicans are only for the wealthy. You also keep fixating on an already proven wrong thought process since the entire mess we are in now was caused by Democratic social reengineering. The Republicans tried to stop it but the Democrats blocked them and now the whole world is paying for it. Are these the kind of policies you want the US to follow? You cannot make that statement true by constantly writing it down like a school boy being punished by the teacher being forced to write something hundreds of times on a chalkboard. The French and Russian Revolutions were both started by the right as well I guess. As they say in the movie "Under Cover Brother" "the Man be always holding us down". It is always the wealthy individuals fault that the poor suffer. The other truth in this discussion is that the right is also much freer with their money as to charitable giving then the left. The left believes the government should take care of everyone and the right believes that people can take care of themselves. Please point out to me another nation in the world where the poor live as well as the poor in this country. I know you socialists will only be happy when everyone is close to equal and only the elitists have money like in the great example the old Soviet Union which was not true communism but socialism.